July 9th, 2009, 08:54 PM | #41 | |
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Odd that anyone bothered to build a 250 four stroke in the first place. Who buys them? They're nowhere against a KR-1S or RGV in handling, torque or power. But they are a few years old, so maybe a comparison with the TZR250 would be more appropriate. But then five-year-old TZRs don't cost two and a half grand. The FZR and GSX-R's appeal must be very specific. You'd have to hate two strokes, love regular valve clearance checks, have impossibly high insurance, 11 points on your licence and the mechanical sympathy of a bike journalist to be able to put up with them for long and remain sane. --------------------------- those last couple paragraphs summed it up quite well, he he... i guess this could be a way that they have decided to tackle the new 250 sports gen bikes over at Yamaha. and with all the added technology and knowledge that they have since they first made the FZR back in 1986, im sure they could tweak the engine to be more user friendly... redline @ 18k imagine putting an after market exhaust on that! |
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easy for the author to say when 2 strokes are not even offered in the US. |
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July 9th, 2009, 09:29 PM | #43 |
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well your right in saying that the new gen ninjas is practically a updated dress up of the classic 250s, with a couple tweaks here and there. but at least kawasaki kept the production of the ninjette going all these years. the other brands, yamaha, suzuki, and Honda, don't seem to have any bike in this class (currently) except for some older models that they stopped producing in like the 90s. many of which were really nice bikes even! of course each country then has some special bike that's not really available in other countries, such as our 150rr 2 stroke ninjas.
i'm definitely happy with the 250, im sure its more satisfying riding this bike closer to its limit, than having a liter bike that i'd have to ride at its minimum, since the roads here would rarely permit me to even redline in 1st gear, since that's already around 90mph+ on the bigger sports bikes. i'm looking forward to see what the Yamaha YZF-R2504 will be like once its unveiled! |
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July 9th, 2009, 09:34 PM | #45 |
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Lightweight 2 stroke twin 250 for the track for $7000 otd.. Im buyin
4 stroke 4 cyl 250 FI maiking 45-50 HP for $6000 otd..Im buyin 4 stroke 250 FI twin with adjustable everything making 30-35 HP for $4500..I might be in the market. I wana ride it first. 4 stroke single Ill look... but not touch.
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July 10th, 2009, 10:44 PM | #46 |
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I would imagine the big 4 will announce their 2010s sometime in the next few months, no?
Sure would like to move past all these getting-my-hopes-up rumors. |
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July 11th, 2009, 12:13 PM | #47 | |
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If the US has a standard that said "under 3 years experience, stick with 250cc or below", then the 250 sales would increase big time. The US doesn't have that, so 250 sales are low. Of course, I could be wrong too.
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July 11th, 2009, 11:40 PM | #48 |
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The Poms over there have a similar law to us Aussies; where Learners are only able to ride certain bikes depending on CCs and power:weight ratio.
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July 12th, 2009, 01:26 AM | #49 |
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the heck with the 600's and up. Bring on the 250's. I'll own 1 of each from every manufacturer but the ninja is always going to be my first love. hehe.
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July 12th, 2009, 04:04 AM | #50 | |
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I agree that the 250 sales would increase with the adoption of a tiered license system like what Europeans use. However, the Ninja 250 has had excellent sales in the states since 08. At one of the dealerships by me they sold over 8x the amount of 250's in the early months of the 08 release as compared to the 07 models. |
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July 12th, 2009, 11:20 AM | #51 | |
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July 12th, 2009, 06:26 PM | #52 |
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I think it would be great to see some other alternatives.
I would love to see Kawasaki rework the Ninja 500 like they did the 250. If they would update the appearance, shave off a little weight to get it down closer to the weight of the 250 and do a rework on the engine to make it a little smoother and add a few HP I think it could very well be the perfect bike, at least in my opinion. I really like the 250 and we are honestly having a blast with ours but there are definately times when an few more HP would very nice. |
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July 12th, 2009, 08:35 PM | #53 |
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Yah, the dealership by me had told me in 2007 they sold like 8 250's over the summer. In 08 they had something like a total of 32 bikes sold before delivery and would have sold more had they been on the floor. This was just the first round of 08's and they sold more after that. So they at least had 4x more sold just in the opening months of the new model.
Well the easiest thing to do to update the 500 is take the newer 650 motor and shorten the stroke to make it a 500. I didn't know this until I read an article on the 650, but the outer dimensions of the 650 motor are SMALLER then that of the 500. So use an overall smaller, lighter, core motor and borrow as much from the 650 (trans, suspension, FI, that sort of thing), borrow some of the body parts from the 250 and you have a new bike that will bridge the gap and cut costs. It would be a win/win type of thing. |
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July 12th, 2009, 08:58 PM | #54 |
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hmm
If the other 3 manufacturers really want to challenge the 250, they're gonna have to make simple bare bones type 250s like the Kawasaki. I can't see a more sporty supersport type 250 succeeding here especially with the weight of the 600 class bikes coming down and nimbleness going up. |
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July 12th, 2009, 09:02 PM | #55 |
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belum banyak data spesifikasi mesin YZF R250 ini, akan tetapi sinyalemen saya motor ini akan mengusung di produksi dengan dapur pacu minimal Twin cylinder DOHC dan didukung oleh pengabutan injeksi. Dilihat dari keberanian Yamaha menghadirkan spek ban belakang tapak lebar (banget), sepertinya power yang diusung motor ini lebih besar dari Ninja 250R. Sinyalemen kedua saya motor ini akan menemui konsumen dengan mahar yang jauh lebih tinggi dari Ninja 250R, paling tidak sampai $ 2000 lebih tinggi dari Ninja 250R sehingga keungkinan akan face-to-face langsung dengan cagiva Mito 525 dan Aprilia RS 125. Kenapa bisa? wong YZF R125 saja dijual dengan bandrol yang beda-beda tipis dengan Ninja 250R yaitu sekitar $3500, Mongtor ini pasti lebih mahal dari R125.
I have no idea what this says but I do see Twin cylinder DOHC after YZF R250 I tried to ue the windows translater but it says this is english. Go figure.
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July 12th, 2009, 09:15 PM | #56 |
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I believe it is Indonesian. I get a partial transation out of Google:
not many data specification engine YZF R250, but I sinyalemen motor akan mengusung in this production with a minimal kitchen spur Twin cylinder DOHC and supported by pengabutan injection. View from the courage to bring spek Yamaha rear tire tread width (up), it seems that carried power this motor is greater than Ninja 250R. I Sinyalemen second motor will meet with the consumer portion of far higher than the Ninja 250R, at least up to $ 2,000 higher than the Ninja 250R akan keungkinan so that face-to-face with a cagiva Mito Aprilia RS 525 and 125. Why can? wong YZF R125 are sold with a bandrol different backgrounds with a thin Ninja 250R is about $ 3500, Mongtor this certainly is higher than R125. |
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July 12th, 2009, 09:31 PM | #57 |
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so a twin 250 with FI and more ponys than the 250R
and of course more expensive.
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July 12th, 2009, 09:53 PM | #58 | |
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July 12th, 2009, 10:16 PM | #59 |
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They did. It's the 650R. I doubt the 500 will be around much longer. I doubt they are even making any more of them. I don't think the 500 was ever a very big seller. Most people either bought 250s or went up to a 600+. It wouldn't surprise me at all if what we see of the 500s right now is just left over stock getting liquidated...
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July 13th, 2009, 12:56 AM | #60 |
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Wouldn't mind one of those babies. Sounds crazy!!!! I wonder if the kitchen has a dishwasher.
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I have an issue of Cycle Canada from a month or two ago and they interviewed the director of marketing for Honda Canada and it specifically said that Honda would be introducing a "new" bike in Canada and North America as a step up from the CBR125. It went on to say that it would be a 4 cylinder 600cc bike and would be on sale for 2010 or 2011. My guess is the EU-only 2009 Hornet 600. Its sad considering that the 250RR motor (engine code MC14e) was built from 1986 right up to 1999. As much of a dreamer as I am, I know that we will probably never see a 250cc 4 cylinder "screamer" like those old bikes nor a two-stroke here with our emission laws. I am skeptical about this yamaha design. That magazine article was posted and then no new news has ever surfaced about it.
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July 23rd, 2009, 10:19 PM | #62 |
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July 24th, 2009, 12:30 AM | #63 |
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check out whats behind me , that thing is fast as hell no joke. keeping up and beating some 600's of the line. I havent heard anything about the yamaha 250 coming out on this side of the pond. im seeing if i can get my hands on a aprilla rs250 though. those things are little speed demons
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July 24th, 2009, 01:32 AM | #64 | |
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July 24th, 2009, 08:36 AM | #65 |
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I seen the youtube of the Yamaha vrs the Kawi. The yami was out of steam at the end of the track. Ill stipulate that if the race was another 100 yards the Kawi would have passed the yami and drove away. Ill bet theres at LEAST a 15 mph difference in top speed. On top of that mods to a twin are alot more effective vrs a single.
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July 24th, 2009, 08:59 AM | #66 |
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I think this machine looks beautiful...
Toss on FI and 2 maybe 4 cyl. (anything like 40ish hp would be amazing) Nice fat rear tire, like in the pic and i would have a two-bike armada in my garage, this(pretty much any color) and the 08 blue ninja 250 |
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August 10th, 2009, 10:32 AM | #67 |
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I might have missed mention of this mail-order 250cc bike coming to your doorstep. I think the engine is made in the same factory suzuki uses? I have not read up on it enough.
more info in the news forum here. ninjette.org > General > Motorcycling News Edit to claify: The USA 250cc model looks the same as this 125cc photo. MOre info Here also Megelli-Motorcycles-125r1.jpg |
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August 10th, 2009, 11:42 AM | #68 |
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its only a 5 speed
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August 10th, 2009, 08:53 PM | #69 |
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That bike won't sell with the ninjette as it's competition especially at nearly the same price.
* Type – 4-Stroke, Single Cylinder, Liquid Cooled * Bore x Stroke – 65.5mm x 68mm * Compression Ratio – 9.5:1 * Carburetion – CVK30 * Displacement – 249 cc * Max. Torgue – 17.8 / 7500 * Horse Power – 16.2 HP * Ignition – CDI * Transmission – 5-speed 16hp with a 5-speed? You'd be lucky to make highway speeds with that at max throttle. |
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August 10th, 2009, 09:10 PM | #70 |
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Its a good looking bike from the side profile.
However, to make this competitive with the Ninja 250 (reliability and resale value), it will have to have a lot more HP's, use as many off-the-shelf parts and have to be built problem-free and have above-average customer service and warranty service. In other words, it will have to do all those things that Hyosung doesn't.
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August 10th, 2009, 09:15 PM | #71 |
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^Should be about as fast as a Honda Rebel, I think I would pass on that one.
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August 10th, 2009, 09:24 PM | #72 |
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You ask too much. LOL - not a bad idea though.
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August 10th, 2009, 09:50 PM | #73 |
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i looked into this Megelli bike a couple weeks back since its apparently available here in Bali already. from pictures, the bike looks quite nice, but the riding position is tougher on the back/shoulders than the ninja. the selling price here is around $2700 or 2800 i believe, which is in a way, a little over priced, since for not that much more, you can buy a Ninja 150rr (2 stroke) that's way more powerful, and im sure is better made/quality for about $3100.
Technical Specifications: Engine * Type – 4-Stroke, Single Cylinder, Liquid Cooled * Bore x Stroke – 65.5mm x 68mm * Compression Ratio – 9.5:1 * Carburetion – CVK30 * Displacement – 249 cc * Max. Torgue – 17.8 / 7500 * Horse Power – 16.2 HP * Ignition – CDI * Transmission – 5-speed from talking to some local people, they told me that these Chinese/Taiwanese made engines don't last long. usually after about 2 years they need to be practically replaced (depending on riding habits i guess). various brands/models have been available here in Indonesia, but i don't think they ever took off (hardly see them) since they have this bad reputation. the 16 hp is really lame, i read a review of someone test riding this bike, and they said that the 250 ninja overlapped him repeatedly throughout the test ride, lol. i guess the only thing going for it is the slightly cheap-er price, and the good looks. besides that... well everyone will have their own opinion i'm sure~ |
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August 11th, 2009, 12:38 PM | #74 |
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That Megelli is DEFINITELY nice looking.
But... "At 248 lbs, this unit will be even more fuel efficient and be able to push to speeds of 75-80mph." |
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After drooling over this bikes looks and then becoming a bit disappointed about the specs listed, I emailed Megelli on their 'QLINK' site about the 250R.
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Means I better buy up all the aftermarket parts I want now, before they're discontinued! To be honest, I never understood why the Ninja 250, 500, and 650 were different bikes. If I were Kawasaki, I'd put the different engines in the same frame. Maybe with upgraded but bolt-compatible brakes and suspension. I must be spoiled by Volkswagen's Lego-like part swappability, even across different generations of models. |
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Oh that is just crazy talk!
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Yamaha YZF-R250
When this gets released in the U.S., bye-bye Kawi, hello Yami!
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-...med/21970.html
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Oops...thx Alex!
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