April 25th, 2015, 11:14 PM | #1 |
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HELP!! Carb Issues!!
Hi all! First things first, got an old bike, snatched the carbs out, cleaned em up (following a youtube video), and put em back in. Difference is definitely noticeable, being that she's rideable now, but won't get to redline, only runs with choke, and gotta keep her at high revs to get into first.
If at all possible, could anyone direct me to the PROPER way too clean these carbs, along with tips to do before removing carbs? Thanks!! -X |
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April 25th, 2015, 11:25 PM | #2 |
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What type of bike?
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April 25th, 2015, 11:40 PM | #3 |
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05 Kawi Ninja ex250, pretty popular here
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April 25th, 2015, 11:53 PM | #4 |
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If your Bike needs the choke to run after start & warm your*pilot*jets*are blocked
You need to properly and meticulous clean your carburetors again, I would advise you PM @ducatiman, he offers a full service for carburetors. Carbs (especially those which have sat for an extended period) need special attention by someone who has experience doing them. Ultrasonic treatment works wonders in this application. Its not unusual to require multiple cleaning/setup attempts by those who lack equipment or know how to get them truly operational.
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April 25th, 2015, 11:57 PM | #5 |
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Thanks!, any other info?
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April 26th, 2015, 12:23 AM | #6 |
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Contact @ducatiman he's well know for his custom carburetor services over @ EX500.com and I've know him and his work for several years now, I personally vouch for him.
He offers everything from parts at very affordable prices, to full customization. SIDENOTE: cleaning, and tuning carburetors is a skill, as well as an art, something you can't learn from a quick YouTube video. I've been working on the from over 30 years, along with other parts of engines, transmissions, etc.... Trust me on this. My 2¢ on the subject, Beyond common problems...... comprehensive carb cleaning is not for everyone, there is much to go wrong in short order. We've seen many members endlessly chase their tails, break stuff, assemble and adjust stuff wrong.* With some of the fleet becoming old, the vast majority require much more than "cleaning". The potential for leakage must be addressed, any less attention is irresponsible, and yes, this may even require thowing money and parts at them (gasp). Consumables...carb innards are not forever items. * ** And certainly there is MORE... much more....to it than simply addressing the pilot jets while they are out and on the bench. ** Please...you're screwing around with FUEL...if not absolutely sure of what you're doing...send them to someone who is.
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April 26th, 2015, 08:25 AM | #7 |
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hmm, i dropped a couple pennies on the floor and Ghostt picked them up.
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April 26th, 2015, 09:04 AM | #8 |
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Link to original page on YouTube.
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^ thoughts on vid?
short and sweet....amateur, ya get what ya pay for |
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April 26th, 2015, 08:31 PM | #11 |
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April 26th, 2015, 08:38 PM | #12 | |
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EDIT: Oh snap!!! lol Sorry brah, I just reread that and though... damn. No offence or anything, I was just saying a basic cleaning can be a troubleshooting tool. It will let you know if you're on the right track and if you got what it takes to git-r-done or not.
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April 26th, 2015, 08:40 PM | #13 |
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While that could be true for us veterans, the noobs should consider the services that @ducatiman offers at very affordable prices.
Even veterans could benefit from his services as well, everything from parts, to custom services, his workmanship and quality it top notch.
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April 26th, 2015, 08:46 PM | #14 |
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^^^ I feel ya'lls.
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April 27th, 2015, 02:58 PM | #15 |
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a tease, see for yourself before and after.
A toothbrush and a can of carb cleaner? |
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April 28th, 2015, 01:17 PM | #16 |
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Ha, im 15 and just repaired my first ninja. Before i get on my knees and beg for cash from my parents to clean carbs, imma try it myself and see what i can do, if all else fails i'll shell out my lawn mowing money. But NOT before then.
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April 28th, 2015, 01:32 PM | #17 | |
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April 28th, 2015, 02:51 PM | #18 |
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Haha thanks man! she was sitting up for 3 years and i figured i'd bring her over and see what i can do, i actually just got inside from riding it, i'll clean the carbs better when she cools down
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April 29th, 2015, 04:47 AM | #19 |
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careful with the carb cleaner!
the chemicals invade the pores, into the bllodstream, liver, etc etc. serious poison alert....wear nitrile gloves, kiddo. and use a toothbrush other than the one hanging in the bathroom! |
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April 29th, 2015, 09:43 AM | #20 |
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Haha will do bro! I can't wait to get this job over and done with , i wanna see her redline
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April 29th, 2015, 02:10 PM | #21 |
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before you go cleaning them out, best to drain the tank and try some clean gas.
that is the exact symptom my bike experienced with water in the fuel. its weird but these bikes start with choke, run smooth even but just no power... i've never seen another engine do that before... running perfectly well just completely anemic and stumbling when choke is taken off. |
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April 29th, 2015, 02:11 PM | #22 |
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also safety warning, if you are going to huff the carb cleaner, don't tape the bag all around your mouth and nose or you could suffocate.
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May 2nd, 2015, 09:14 PM | #23 |
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thanks for the tips man!! i'll try that!! and ma's a doctor, got plenty o' masks here at the house.
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May 5th, 2015, 08:17 AM | #24 |
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I shouldn't be spraying this stuff on my balls then? I kid I kid. Yeah long term exposure to solvents can give your liver a one-two punch. Still manage to get some on me even with gloves though a lot of times. Maybe I need to upgrade my cheapo gloves.
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May 5th, 2015, 08:26 AM | #25 |
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Toothpaste on your balls is much better, it's a rush.
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May 6th, 2015, 08:10 AM | #26 |
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what has this thread turned into?
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May 6th, 2015, 10:29 AM | #27 |
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Sorry about that, any updates on your problem?
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May 7th, 2015, 11:11 AM | #28 |
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Well, the bike ran (almost) fine before i yanked the carbs, now she starts for 5-10 sec then stalls out and dies, any ideas guys?, its been about a month of repairs and I'm getting hella frustrated. Ugh
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May 7th, 2015, 05:51 PM | #29 |
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i'd recommend a good carb clean and setup
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May 7th, 2015, 06:12 PM | #30 |
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May 7th, 2015, 07:00 PM | #31 |
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yeah of course you would mate, I'm making payments on the bike and until its payed off, i won't be dishin out ANY cash to anyone
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May 7th, 2015, 08:09 PM | #32 |
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If I may, paying for a non-running bike doesn't make a lot of sense, @ducatiman prices are more affordable than you think, you should drop him a PM.
He has a top quality reputation on EX-500.com and I've known him for several years now, I personally vouch for him.
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May 8th, 2015, 08:15 AM | #34 |
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Yup, and a non running bike for 700 with 2k miles on it? Pshh y'all don't know what you're talking about, and i still haven't tried all my options, chem dip, pinesol, new jets, all that jazz, so sorry Ducati, no business from me for awhile, though I've got your username in case i need to shoot you pm. Now back to the original topic, any ideas i could try? Actual, practical, ideas?
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The first time I cleaned the carbs out on a 250 that had been stored for three years, I had to take the thing apart and clean it three times before I got it running correctly. That was a pain in the ass.
I did learn to be methodical though. This how to really helped me: http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/How_do_...n_the_carbs%3F |
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Cleaning and servicing carburetors properly not only requires skill and knowledge, but like all others requires the proper tools, not Pinesol and toothbrush.
I'm not against learning, and self-maintenance skill building, hell that's how we all learned, including yours truly.
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Not horn tooting here.... but you can't compete using toothbrush and rattle can while squatting outdoors in your driveway.
Using sodablast and ultrasonic equipment, powerful compressed air (in a shop setting) in combination with some experience and knowledge...result in a one clean success. Of course the equipment requires some investment...and the experience..."priceless" as they say. There are ways to test and assure that circuits are, in fact, clear BEFORE putting the carbs back on the bike, thus saving time-wasting, frustrating "redo's". I've recently sent this EX500 carb set to Malaysia...knowing full well the carbs would perform fine BEFORE boxing and shipping...sure enough...the owner installed, started and rode....seamlessly...smiling the whole way. Shipping half way across the world...you better be damn sure they are *right*. Kinda separates the men from the boys, dunnit? |
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UPDATE
Ok guys, so after about 8 or 9 times ripping the carbs out, i finally sucked it up and decided to do a "dip", so, i made my own (secret) solution, and soaked it overnight, worked the choke while it was in the bath and pulled out the jets and stuff. This morning i put em back in and she runs incredible, still gotta adress a couple issues though(Hanging RPM's with a closed throttle, mid-throttle pops(Backfiring?), and Dunlop K630's that gotta go) any help on those subject would be appreciated, but thank you all for your support and ideas, I'm starting to enjoy this website, if you guys want pics/ video of the bike, lemme know
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Tune the idle mixture screws, and don't touch the carburetor sync setting, that is definitely not your problem, unless you split the carburetors.
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How to properly synchronise the carburetors Quote:
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